2011-05-21 [Sideways]: Anyway. I'm tired of being angry and mean for angry and mean's sake. This work of protest, which is just my own opinion, gave me an idea for a Wiki specifically designed to hold theses, arguments, reviews, rants, and any other form of personal expression known as

The ET Opinion Directory!!!!!

Everyone is welcome to comment on the wiki, which is under construction. I need some helpers, administrators, and wiki designers to make it the best wiki it can be! The only requirement for any of these positions on this wiki I will own
is the desire to help create a specific place for Elftown Members to argue, discuss, and debate any point. I believe this can help many wikis and forums to recover from being flooded with banter and fruitless argument. Let em do it here!!!

I would love to have some endorsement and administrative help from ET Council members for this wiki's development and running.

You are not required to agree with anything I think or say; you must only have the capacity to uphold the wiki's rules, which I penned and am absolutely willing to negotiate.

Anyone who wants to design the layout, make banners, help with HTML stuff I know nothing about, and help improve this wiki in any way, you are MOST WELCOME! :D

Right now it just has a first draft of rules which need to be polished with the help of an ET Council member or guard or secret service dude, or someone who has an official capacity on ET.

I am currently in the process of designing the OPINION CATEGORIZATION INDEX, bwahahaha, please comment with your ideas!!!

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: After a couple people asked me questions like "Do you hate Elftown?" and "What the hell did the council ever do to you?" and my favorite "Do you jerk off to [kians mummy]'s forum posts, you sick freak?" I realize that some of you
might have had an idea that The ET Opinion Directory is an anti-establishment revolutionary page.

Nyuuuuuuu! Not true! It's what I said it is. A place for people to write reviews, rants, observations and personal truths. It's a place to debate philosophy. I wanna do like philosophic "questions of the week" for people to answer. I just want people to have a place to really express who they are on elftown, a place that isn't a special interest wiki where they circle jerk an idea they all agree on. I want it to be like a text based YouTube or something!

2011-05-21 [Mortified Penguin]: However, Bob's Diner actually is an anti-establishment revolutionary page. We openly mock Elftown's authority figures and spit on the rules. Heck, we even had that wiki takeover thing going for a while. Good times.

2011-05-21 [Thunder Cid]: I'll ask again. Can we bury the hatchet, agree to disagree, and understand that there are two different types of roleplayer in ET?

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: No I won't and what you just said is why. What do you mean there's two kinds of roleplayer on ET? Tabletop inspired, game focused super specific RPGs and people who just roleplay by cooperatively creating a story?
Maybe that's true, but that's not what my protest is about. My protest is not

about roleplay format, it's about exposing self worshiping pseudo-intellectual
assholes. It's about vehemently disagreeing with popular promotion of the idea that a roleplay should have centralized power at ALL.

The cure rules really support my contention because not only do they
practically ask you to sacrifice cute animals at the Altar of the Almighty GM, they use condescending language. Maybe you should change them. You said yourself they're not "rules" they're suggestions. Why don't you make some new ones that are less controversial and offensive, and more relevant and helpful.

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: It's also about how much I hate editing on iPhones. No, the spacing was non intentional and does not have meaning on that last comment. Stupid Apple, stupid Safari. Ugh.

2011-05-22 [Lord Josmar]: Ok, first off I just want to say that I damn near pissed myself upon reading the message [Sideways] recieved about [kians mummy]'s forum posts.

And I see where you are coming from and why you would be upset. Personally, I played D&D for YEARS before coming to Elftown and have always been taught that the DM/GM always has the final say (Blue Lightning anyone?). I am in a few games here that do not follow that philosophy and all my games do not follow that philosophy. Also if you were to look at my games I have my rules posted on each game and in the character applications and they are, maybe, ten in length. To assume that just because I am a part of the wiki that I must be am elitist control freak and a douche bag is not only offensive but downright uneducated. You are making generalizations and assumptions based off of little to no information other then what you read on the C.U.R.E. Rules and the following comment-fest. If you would have taken the time to look at the way we played/ran our games then maybe you would realize that this is all unfounded. I try my damnedest to be a nice person to everyone I meet on here and not to "Stir the hornet's nest". Nor am I a person to be easily angered, but I am so upset right now that my acid reflux is acting up.

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: You missed my point too. You don't seem to deny the veracity of my claims, but you do deny their importance. "Oh they're just suggestions" none of you follow them??? Get new ones then! You're not denying the current ones suck! How about the FACT cure has no roleplay information/suggestion page? It has links to other already established pages. Cure's rule page, it's ONLY authoritative information page is exactly what I say it is and you don't deny it, just deny what it means...

2011-05-22 [Lord Josmar]: We have a page that does that, Plot/General Help. This is where we can help those that ask for it with one on one help.Sorry we didnt generalize our help to cover what we think everyone needs help with. And none of us ever said that the cure rules suck, just as it was never stated that those rules must be followed verbatum, that is your assumption and you putting words in our mouths. Most of the rules listed are common sense. Your character cant run up to another PC and say Rams sword through John Doe's gut. Laughs as he falls over dead. unless the other player says ok. And you cant do that to NPCs either unless the GM says ok. The GM is in charge of making sure the story is progressing and if he/she wants it to go a certain way then they will do what they have to. If you go pick up Halo: Reach from the store, your not going to expect it to tell the story you want the way you want where everyone lives. No, everyone dies a noble death so that one may live on. Same goes with Elftown based RPGs, most of them are stories the GM wants to run and needs people to come along for the ride. Any GM will tell you that.

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: And I haven't said this because I haven't really been able to form the words. Basically what really makes me angry is your reason for "The GM decides combat, who hits, who dodges, who hurts and how much." you believe because there are some god modders out there, everyone must sacrifice control because of the few who can't handle it. We both know the large majority of roleplayers can handle being hit. The large majority of roleplayers can fairly hit and not hit. Most can handle a fair mix of saying they hit and saying they try to, but leave it to the other person. Some can even handle the BANE of table top combat, the idea of close quarters grappling.

But those rules say most roleplayers can't handle that sort of responsible game play. They're all too selfish and stupid. That's not what I have seen. 

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: Also, roflmao at your general help thing. It's NOT an information page. It's not a page that provides useful information. It's an "Ask cure for help" page and the only person who has posted is my friend [Alexi Ice] about a character for one of MY rps lol. I should mention that though I love Akane she is ULTRA fickle. I can't get her to do more than create a character before she loses interest. Maybe she doesn't like rping with me, I dunno. Most likely culprit is a lack of attention span..,

but I digress. You have not disproven my point. In fact one can say it strengthens it. Because if a person who creates arguably crap rules has another "suggestion page" that's essentially "ask me what I think about your problem," then wouldn't they use their principles that I think are offensive, wrong and unjust to answer those questions?

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: Chelsey-P V.S. Akayume. I've had to state repeatedly I am not anti council but maybe I SHOULD be. Look at the petty, shameful, way this Council member attacks this person, the very "everyday, average et roleplayer," that I defend on this page. Do I need to present any more proof that cure members are egotistical, self important assholes? Do I need any more proof they think most elftown roleplayers are stupid and hapless?

2011-05-22 [Paul Doyle]: Maybe I'm showing my age. When I read the name of this wiki, the first thing that comes to mind is advice against abducting Robert Smith and his bandmates ;-)

2011-05-22 [Lord Josmar]: It seems to me the only egotistical, elitist person on here is you. You had a disagreement with the members of cure and then after calling the owner a Nazi you were told not to comment till everyone's mood has evened out. Still you continued to post your messages of hate against the members. When you were reported and finally stopped posting you come here to make a wiki to broadcast your hate and personal attacks on those members of cure. It is nothing but you jumping up and down screaming "Look at me! Look at me!" to get the attention of others to hear you rant and spew your hateful comments. And everytime someone counters your opinions all you do is say "You missed my point." or you repeat your opinions all over again. And now your saying that you should be anti-council, yes lets jump on that bandwagon.

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: XD yay, now I know I'm winning the argument! Because when someone devolves their argument down to a wordy version of "I know you are, but what am I?!" you know you're beating some ass.

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: [Lord Josmar] doesn't seem to know the current meaning of those words.

An Egotist does not admit wrong doing and refuses to change their ways. I have yielded and apoligized for a few of my arguments. No single cure member has apoligized for ANYTHING I have argued against.

And you just proved you don't know what elitist means, even though this page contains a written definition. An elitist simply thinks they/their group is better than everyone else. Here I am standing up to a small group for the good of the many and I am an elitist?

Again, I told you when no one cares about this subject, I'll likely drop it. But the more cure members prove themselves to be assholes and thoughtless pricks, then I'm gonna keep showing that information here. 

2011-05-22 [Lord Josmar]: [Sideways] doesn't seem to know the current meaning of his own words.

From www.dictionary.com:

e·go·tist
 [ee-guh-tist, eg-uh-]
–noun
1.
a conceited, boastful person.
2.
a selfish person; egoist.

Hm...doesn't mention anything about An Egotist does not admit wrong doing and refuses to change their ways. Does fit you very well though with your "Im right, your wrong, and thus you are assholes, pricks, elitists, blah blah blah." along with your own quote "I think I am a damn good roleplayer. I think I'm among the best on ET in character development, plot development, and creativity. That is my opinion of myself."

Also from www.dictionary.com:

e·lit·ism
   [ih-lee-tiz-uhm, ey-lee-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2.
consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

Origin:
1950–55; elite + -ism

—Related forms
e·lit·ist, noun, adjective
an·ti·e·lit·ism, noun
an·ti·e·lit·ist, noun, adjective
non·e·lit·ist, adjective, noun

Hmm...doesn't say anything about, "An elitist only cares about him or herself and a small group of people he/she views as equals. Everyone who does not measure up to their standards is beneath them. Commonly, elitists insult and degrade anyone who is not as smart or talented as the the elitist sees him or herself."

So maybe before you start flinging words around you should actually look them up.

And why would I apologize for something you have argued against, ok here is an apology. "I am sorry that you read the rules as the Word of God and feel that since we put them up there with the notation Rules for GMs to use (or not use) in their RPs. Examples of good roleplay running and good management. that we are horrible, horrible people who are deserving of public reprimand and ridicule at the hands of someone who is one of the biggest hypocrites in the world (For more information on this please see ET Opinion Directory and look at how you talk about the Strict rules that they have to follow when submitting on "opinion").

And I know your going to go on to say, "But I am going to make the wiki democratic so they can change the rules to what they want." and I'm glad for you and hope that works out, I dont see it happening, Owner and Benevolent Dictator.

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: XD you are an IDIOT!!!!! Roflmao! Thank you for proving my point again!! Yes you stand for rule of the elite! Th GM's! And your use of my other wiki as proof is so soul crushingly pathetic! The EOD is designed so any administrator has the same amount of power I do, if not more, and currently, the only requirement for being an administrator is asking me "hey, can I be one?" if you show a small amount of competency, and an understanding of the usefulness of the rules, which are about 95% about protecting against plagiarism and format requirements. Hell even you could be one if you really wanted to, Josmar.

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: Because I want people who disagree with me on my wiki. So your attempt to call me a hypocrite has FAILed.

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: Also thank you, because the dictionary definition says right under it "anything not listed here is not true of this word, this is the only interpretation of these words"

Your argument would still FAIL even if it were so, because the strict definition still perfectly describes cure AND you.

2011-05-23 [Sideways]: Any way, I'm pretty much done with this. This whole thing was over a selfish idea anyway. I still stand by my arguments, but..,

the real reason I started the war on cure was because when I got on cure I was so excited to get into the high level rpg community. When I found out I hated pretty much most people there, and a lot of their ideas, I was very depressed and frustrated. So I lashed out.

Anyway go look on Chelsey-P V.S. Akayume for my formal white flag waving. (white flags signify truce, not surrender, mind you.)